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LIME-AID 3 : Episode Four posted by Caporegime @ Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:40:41 +0000

I'm having a hard time understanding the T9o hand - it seems really -EV to overbet shove this river against a decent opponent. The way I see it is:

In shoving that river for value, you can surely only be representing KK, 44, 55, KJ and maaaaaybe Jh5h? (I've removed any other Jx from your range as they'd likely check back the turn having gained showdown value vs the non-Kings in his range). Now going from what I see in his videos, I'd say a player like whitelime is rarely flatting any of these pocket pairs 200BB deep with position blind vs blind (though you can argue KJo might flat). By the river, assuming (as we did) our opponent has a K, we can have 3 combos of KJo in our range, and possibly KsJs that didn't reraise preflop, - this scenario relies on the fact we'd never raise KJo preflop, and the fact we'd always raise KJ on that board (which is also not a given).

Now comparing this to the other hands with which you would raise the flop, which are 54s 67s 78s K5s K4s Ac2c Ac3c, any flush draw, and a lot of air, our opponent is ahead of all of these on the river. With odds of 1:2 on a call, isn't any good opponent snapping you off here most the time?



1) since whitelime's range is nuts or nothing he could get looked up by KQ or QQ-77 meaning his overbet value range isnt just boats but also slowplayed AA AK and any J
2) he doesnt always pot control a J..if he puts the guy on a K he might turn his J into a bluff and then rivers trips.
3) even at 5/10 people tend to try to avoid variance and just go with the safe play and fold

so its not as black and white as you think


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